You have to live a secret life and then finally you’re free. Naomi: Yeah it’s like, holy fucking shit are you kidding me? I’ve been this way this whole time and I’ve had to do all of this… stuff. Josette: That’s just the queer experience, isn’t it. Naomi: And then you want to make up for lost time. It feels like a second adolescence a surge that comes with that certainty. Katie: Yeah, so I think that’s part where that energy came from as well. Naomi: I’ve just had a different relationship with men and male attention my entire life. Whereas for someone like Naomi and myself, where you’re so fucking gay from the start… Josette: I can’t speak for you, but being a femme, you fit more into the “heteronormative experience”. And sometimes I think maybe even more so for femmes? Sometimes it takes a really long time to get there yourself. Even though people around me are like, “You’re gay!” I was like “I don’t know!” but then suddenly I was like “Yes, I am really gay”. I know it’s funny but the people who get it, get it. Katie: I wasn’t dating during the second album cycle and when I started dating again I had a kind of second coming out. Naomi: It is kind of an indulgent song about your little inner demon. To me, that song really reminds me of that pure desperation during lockdown of just wanting go out and dance at a gay bar. Naomi: We know someone that has sex to yelling and ambient gongs.īut back to “What I Want”. Josette: It’s too distracting, I can’t do it! I find it weird when people listen to music with lots of lyrics in bed. Josette: There are two kinds of people in this world, you know? Katie: Well, they said they want an intense emotional connection or they’re not going to have sex. Surely that would be a bit intense, wouldn’t it? Naomi: We actually recently found out that some people do have sex to our music, which is so weird.
Josette: I was going to say “dance” but then I said bang. Shall we chat about the new album? I’ve been listening to it a lot and it’s quite joyful in places! I was surprised you didn’t release “What I Want” as your first single because it’s so catchy. I’d ask where they grew up and what it was like. Naomi: I would ask if they’ve read something recently that they like. No, it depends on what you’re looking for. Josette: “What’s the first thing you eat in the morning?” I just need to fucking know. What do you think is a good question to ask on a first date to really get to know someone? How did I not know that?! I’m supposed to be a MUNA nerd. Naomi: For college that was very romantic! Naomi: I had a nice time! I took you to the thing. Katie: Your weirdest date was probably with me. I felt bad about myself because I was like, “I’m not going to get these moves down!” What about you guys? It was so hard that it ended up being unpleasant. I was trying not to have dates at bars so I wouldn’t trauma bond.
Katie: I went there with a girl and it was extremely hard. There was, like, a dance studio and people were learning these intense hip hop dances? Katie: This one time I went on a date in Melrose, in LA, which is an interesting section of culture. What’s the weirdest date you’ve ever been on? I feel like we should ask some first date questions.
It’s like, “I know a place that doesn’t exist”.
Naomi: Yeah and even “I Know A Place” is fucking sad. Er, isn’t that the one that starts, “So I heard the bad news / Nobody likes me and I’m gonna die alone”?